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Mabinogi World Wiki talk:Policy
Templates
Do you mean that you don't want people using any besides those two or that you don't want them creating custom templates and saving them as real pages so that they can refer to them on their own page?--Jacobpaige 20:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
- Customs are okay, I think. We had some people showing up on the NPC list because they were using the NPC infobox, so just want to avoid that. ---Angevon
Move?
To Mabinogi_World_Wiki:Privacy_policy? --Kevin 01:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- Privacy policy is something else though, like non-disclosure of personal information. Isn't it? ---Angevon
- Yep, this is totally the wrong place for this, it should definitely be moved back.--Jacobpaige 11:26, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- Though I come to this a bit late, this is more for the code of conduct on this site. User privacy is an entirely different kettle of fish. --Irjustman 10:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Policies that I don't quite agree
- The "no players" rule. Personally, I think there are some players/guilds that should be recorded, like seal stone breakers. It's an issue of notability, if the entity is important enough to be recorded then be it. Problem is where to draw the line; we are obviously not WikiFur here.
- Inserting comments into articles. Sometimes inline comments can be useful.
- Joke articles. Remember Orehpus from last year? Or KHENTA SMASH? Even Mabinogi Wiki Renaissance Team have the Editing Skill.
- Lastly, nobody seems to have actually read the policy. Maybe link it somewhere, like in the edit page?
--Kakurady 01:21, 12 March 2009 (UTC) i agree that it might be ok to have article for very notable players like seal breakers and guilds that win the guild battle or own a castle.--Sozen Cratos Focker 04:44, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Templates?
Why do we not allow the use of templates in user pages? Also, why not allow users to make {{Username/Pagename}} if it relates to the wiki in some way? --Kevin (•Talk•) 07:38, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Can we link to this from the NewMenu?
...or at least specifically the userpage bit. =\ -- Ladywinter 17:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Though it isn't navigating anything, can we place this in the navigation part of the sidebar? Makes it alot more visible to users --Kevin (‧Talk‧) 18:16, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Objective vs. Subjective wording requested
This:
"Do not upload numerous pictures of yourself, your pets, etc. Do not waste its bandwidth and space with your huge pictures."
Is a bit too vague I think. Can we say something more like every user is limited to 2~3 pictures? And should a word count be imposed for information that's only player-related and not wiki-related? -- Ladywinter 22:14, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how many pictures should be allowed. This question may need to be taken to the forum topic since the wiki masterminds don't really look at what's going on here. I think the picture amount could be made unlimited -as long as- the pictures are not hosted on the wiki server itself (i.e. users should use photobucket/imageshack etc. instead). ---Angevon 22:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- ohh, good point about the hosting issue...tho I hesitate to make the picture amount unlimited because of the ppl trying to make it MabiSpace...How about 5~10 pictures then, that are completely NOT wiki-related and only character related? I'm sure ppl can use a picture editor to stretch out that limit should they need to. -- Ladywinter 22:42, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Like I said, you'd have to ask someone higher-up than me by posting on the forum. ---Angevon 22:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- ~10 pictures that are not already on the wiki? If they are on the wiki as pictures used on other pages, that wouldn't count? Pictures hosted on another site do not count toward your limit? something liek that? --Kevin (‧Talk‧) 22:47, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- <nods> I think that's getting there. Really I just would like the wiki to give out hard numbers so ppl can't be all like "80 is totally not numerous, I have over 200 on my facebook!" -- Ladywinter 22:55, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Regarding the amount of pictures allowed for userpage purposes, that's something that would go on the Image Policy that I'm currently writing up. I'll discuss it with other staff members before a cap is set, though. I'll be sure to mention the possibility of hosting on outside sources. The Image Policy is still being drafted, and I should have it up by the end of this week. --Powder Rune 01:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Perhaps we should have a size limit, opposed to image count limit. Like, 3000kb worth of images (combined, of course) only. My average screenshots are 100~300kb, so with that limit, you could get like 10 to 30 images. The only reason I say a size limit is because, I have 14 different images of my own on my page (which IJ has already said isn't TOO schmaltzy ._.), which I would plan to add more (for my upcoming ~5 pets I plan on getting in the future), and they only take up a mere 1~15kb each. When we talk about 'numerous pictures', do we mean any picture in general, or screenshots? I have no screenshots, but a dozen images, only taking up a total of 100~200kb total. ~Rusty~
- Rune, Khenta, and I have decided that users can have up to 10 images adding up to 3,000kb filesize total in their user page, incorporating the suggestions above. Comments/complaints should go here. Not sure if there is a forum post for it. ---Angevon 04:19, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
- There's no indication anywhere on what the word "images" defines, as I've previously asked for. Technically, I have over 10 images, totaling near 300kb, but the original problem had to deal with screenshot images (I think). Are my images "images", or are they safe? Also, what's to stop people from slamming images together to bypass the 10 image count. Say someone has 20 screen shots, and puts 2 of each together, forming 10, and the limit is under 3000kb. Technically, it's 10 images under 3000kb; and with the wording on the wiki, they pose no violation. ~Rusty~
- An image is any picture you place onto the wiki, screen shots, portraits, maps, ect. I looked at your page, and even though you have over 10 small & neat images, that still exceeds the current limit. I understand your point; and your user page isn't as excessively embroidered as many others that we were having problems with, but you must also understand that we cannot make an exception or implement special circumstances for you, or else everyone would also be arguing that they fall under this category and it would just be a big mess. As of now, the limit is 10 images that are actually uploaded onto the wiki not exceeding 3000KB. You can have more than 10 images if you use an external host such as Photobucket or Imageshack. If you're still unhappy with the limit that you can upload onto the wiki itself, we're flexible enough to reconsider it as long as your proposal is reasonable, clear, and open-minded.
- There's no indication anywhere on what the word "images" defines, as I've previously asked for. Technically, I have over 10 images, totaling near 300kb, but the original problem had to deal with screenshot images (I think). Are my images "images", or are they safe? Also, what's to stop people from slamming images together to bypass the 10 image count. Say someone has 20 screen shots, and puts 2 of each together, forming 10, and the limit is under 3000kb. Technically, it's 10 images under 3000kb; and with the wording on the wiki, they pose no violation. ~Rusty~
- Rune, Khenta, and I have decided that users can have up to 10 images adding up to 3,000kb filesize total in their user page, incorporating the suggestions above. Comments/complaints should go here. Not sure if there is a forum post for it. ---Angevon 04:19, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
- Perhaps we should have a size limit, opposed to image count limit. Like, 3000kb worth of images (combined, of course) only. My average screenshots are 100~300kb, so with that limit, you could get like 10 to 30 images. The only reason I say a size limit is because, I have 14 different images of my own on my page (which IJ has already said isn't TOO schmaltzy ._.), which I would plan to add more (for my upcoming ~5 pets I plan on getting in the future), and they only take up a mere 1~15kb each. When we talk about 'numerous pictures', do we mean any picture in general, or screenshots? I have no screenshots, but a dozen images, only taking up a total of 100~200kb total. ~Rusty~
- Regarding the amount of pictures allowed for userpage purposes, that's something that would go on the Image Policy that I'm currently writing up. I'll discuss it with other staff members before a cap is set, though. I'll be sure to mention the possibility of hosting on outside sources. The Image Policy is still being drafted, and I should have it up by the end of this week. --Powder Rune 01:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- <nods> I think that's getting there. Really I just would like the wiki to give out hard numbers so ppl can't be all like "80 is totally not numerous, I have over 200 on my facebook!" -- Ladywinter 22:55, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- ~10 pictures that are not already on the wiki? If they are on the wiki as pictures used on other pages, that wouldn't count? Pictures hosted on another site do not count toward your limit? something liek that? --Kevin (‧Talk‧) 22:47, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Like I said, you'd have to ask someone higher-up than me by posting on the forum. ---Angevon 22:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- ohh, good point about the hosting issue...tho I hesitate to make the picture amount unlimited because of the ppl trying to make it MabiSpace...How about 5~10 pictures then, that are completely NOT wiki-related and only character related? I'm sure ppl can use a picture editor to stretch out that limit should they need to. -- Ladywinter 22:42, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Also, to address putting multiple screen shots together to form one image, we also introduced a resolution limit of 1024 x 768 pixels maximum. It's fine if people make collages of their screen shots as long as it isn't bigger than that. But if it were two or more full-sized screen shots slapped together with no editing, it would be a violation. --Powder Rune 02:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Stupid question here
Can we upload non-mabinogi related pictures; for user page purposes? --♫ѕτя♪ 22:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, but no. Our wiki wasn't made for that purpose, and that's not how user pages should be utilized. --Powder Rune 18:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
2.1 NEW User Page Policies
I just want to get something strait, there is or is not going to be warnings before pages are deleted. Earlier in the section it seemed like there was a warning, but the new bold stuff makes it seem like there is not. thanks in advance. one more thing, if it is said on our page we are not going to be contributing because of vacation, camps, etc will the pages still be deleted even if we are away and can not contribute. thanks in advance. slayer1o1 22:41, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- There will probably be no warnings since then we'd have to give users a grace period which would simply be time-consuming to monitor. To answer some of your other questions, quote: "If you have contributed to the wiki in any way, you will not be at risk, but users that have not contributed anything to the wiki will risk losing their user page and any image(s) associated with the user page." If you've contributed to the wiki, even in a minor way, and if your page fits the image guidelines, then you'll be fine. ---Angevon 22:54, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Externally stored images
I've been testing it, but I haven't figured out the coding required to get an image stored on photobucket/imageshack/etc. to actually show up here on the wiki. Anyone know what to do? It's kinda bad if we tell people to do that and they can't. ---Angevon 23:14, 10 May 2009 (UTC)